Some systems retroactively charge month pass if you ride enough, good for customer, bad for revenue
*Confusion over what to buy is scary in Europe. Worldwide pass that charges your credit card per ride?
*Simplify fares? We have the tech, why not make things simpler , more user friendly and seamless?
*Could charge distance based fares now more easily with tech... Better or worse? Equity?
*Bay Area, buses hard to imp flat fare because have to track exit
*Wmata distance based fares recover much more cost, but many trips people choose to drive when possible
*Pay by distance and congestion, uses supply and demand ie if leaky faucet you want to fix if you pay by amount
*Transit also creates value in land near station, we give it away instead of taxing people with nearby land windfall. Could lower fares by capturing that value
*MTR (Singapore?) owns vertical land above, recovers a lot of cost from real estate -"value capture"
*People who don't use transit benefit from it too. Why even collect fares? Make it free! Best excuse heard is "we've always done it this way". Sf response- couldn't handle demand if they did it today, not enough capacity, takes too long to build new infrastructure
*Costs money even to collect fares, small places work best for free fares?
*Distance based pricing, if you get priced out of city (gentrification), fare gets higher OR bus is cheaper so travel time goes way up
*High cost single ride and cheap month pass, or low single ride and high cost monthly pass?
*Pre-paid passes encourage people to use instead of driving because trip doesn't have psychological effect of having to pay
*Any models of agencies working together to make travel better and modes fit together better? I.e. Roads and metro. Could nacto suggest policy?
*incentive for employers to offer commuter benefit? Such as transit ordinances in SF, NY, DC
restricting free parking makes big difference! also shuttles etc for big employers to pitch in on system
*universities are key partner for this kind of thing
*problem with google buses! shouldn't they have instead chipped into public system? But google just needs to get employees to work, that's their motivation
*at some point, fare passes will be like toll passes (ez pass) for universal use, makes trip planning SO much easier and more flexible, more attractive option vs driving
*Hong kong has octopus card that works on all systems, even competing ones, even buying goods and tracking school attendance
*proximity based advertising on bus stops for local businesses? But they are already paying premium to be near transit. If you made fare free, land would be more valuable, paying into it another way
*contactless payments: getting there. Private sector will need to be involved
*different fares for bus vs rail, pros and cons? Pro, paying premium for better experience of rail. Con, people have to take way longer bus because cheaper. Con, operating cost of buses often higher but startup costs way lower. Con, bus and rail sometimes run by totally separate agencies.
*rail riders almost always wealthier, if you don't charge more for it you are losing revenue? Paying for time or privilege of better?
*social stigma of bus. Rail riders may never ride buses
*singapore offers pre 7am discount, interesting idea to encourage off peak trips
*nnote, we are talking about big cities. Think about small places with bus as only public transit option, limited systems
*dubai silver card vs gold card, pay more for nicer experience like AC and seats. We already have EZ Pass etc, if there are people who would pay, why not let them subsidize others? Big equity question.
*must tie to broader transit goals, can be too focused on budget and revenue. There are always tradeoffs.
*one place has free transit because included on water bill
*removing down time in transit travel, best thing is off board fare collection
*the thing that kills transit (and budgets, and....) is sprawl. Transit policy influences it and vice versa. It all comes down to land use.
Transportation Camp is an unconference that brings people together, face-to-face, to share ideas. The first events were organized by OpenPlans, but anyone is welcome to start their own "Transportation Camp". Mobility Lab, in Arlington, VA, now organizes the Washington, DC-area event, and manages the transportationcamp.org web site, the @transpocamp Twitter account,the main mailing list, and the LinkedIn group.
Mapzen has instance of OSRM; anyone else offer instances (with open API) of OSRM?
CycleTracks: San Francisco, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Charlottesville
Social Cyclist - we track bicycling activity but we don't have the routing "get more people to use it if it's a valuable routing app"
RunKeeper (via Mapbox) - cut off 200 meters at beginning and end of trip
BikeStorming - Latin America
OpenTripPlanner (cibi.me, bikeplanner.org, both defunct--> carfreeatoz.com is functional, DC only): report problems with the route given/crowd-sourced bike data; TriMet gets feedback thru normal CS channels: maybe there should be a link; SW still under dev.
Bikeshare: Social Bicycles are the only ones that have real-time GPS reporting; Tampa, PHX, maybe expose these datasets in the next few months
Data issues: only for the contractors and planners working in those cities
OpenStreetMap & collecting data
Issues with OSM
licensing; Tom (Mapbox) when your routing is derivative of OSM then it must also be open as per OSM's ODbL.
Repository for this data (which data?):
Repository for everyone's count data? "Counterpoint" app, for manual observation counts, says they will
physical objects, but since it's open you can put counts on there. Check TagInfo if there are counts already.
functional class ("highway=secondary"), lane widths, speed limits (these are rare in OSM)
Low-stress Network Maps - showing for each link in the route is this safe? comfortable?
More and more transparent preference options - people differ on what is a "safer" route, what is a "more comfortable route". Keep preferences from being BINARY, shouldn't have to pick flatter OR safer.
Add Quality Assurance module - after planning a trip and taking the trip, be able to give feedback about the trip and then route that information back to the appropriate party. To the transit agency for a transit trip, to the city for bike or ped trips, etc.